Comments on: The Delicate Dance between Ye and You http://blog.trinityaustin.com/2010/01/11/the-delicate-dance-between-ye-and-you/ Cenobitic Monasticism is Overrated Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:38:25 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Bart Goddard http://blog.trinityaustin.com/2010/01/11/the-delicate-dance-between-ye-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-10291 Bart Goddard Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:36:01 +0000 http://blog.trinityaustin.com/?p=300#comment-10291 Maybe I'm not following, but if I am, I have to disagree. The distinction between ye and you is not plural/collective vs. plural/group of individuals, but nominative vs. accusative/dative. If there's a dance going on it's seems more likely that we see "ye" (nominative) in a command and "you" (objective) when we're the receivers of a gift. I'm for retaining the ye's, but dance I hear is you=Gospel, ye=Law. Maybe I’m not following, but if I am, I have to disagree. The distinction between ye and you is not plural/collective
vs. plural/group of individuals, but nominative vs.
accusative/dative. If there’s a dance going on it’s seems
more likely that we see “ye” (nominative) in a command and
“you” (objective) when we’re the receivers of a gift.

I’m for retaining the ye’s, but dance I hear is you=Gospel,
ye=Law.

]]> By: Xan http://blog.trinityaustin.com/2010/01/11/the-delicate-dance-between-ye-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-10283 Xan Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:34:57 +0000 http://blog.trinityaustin.com/?p=300#comment-10283 Pastor, It's a shame that "you"/"your" have swallowed up so many other pronouns that they comprise our entire second person vocabulary. Compare Exodus 4:15 or Luke 22:31-32 between the KJV and the NIV for some examples of meaning being lost. But I'm not following what you're saying about "ye" and "you" here. Isn't "ye" the nominative, and "you" the objective? Like "I" and "me", "we" and "us", "thou" and "thee", etc? Nominative: "Drink ye all of it", "as oft as ye drink it" Objective: "for you", "with you" I have always been curious whether "drink ye all of it" means "ye all drink of it" or "ye drink all of it". I suppose it's the first one. Or maybe both, since it's ambiguous, although I'm not sure that it's ambiguous in the Greek. Pastor,

It’s a shame that “you”/”your” have swallowed up so many other pronouns that they comprise our entire second person vocabulary. Compare Exodus 4:15 or Luke 22:31-32 between the KJV and the NIV for some examples of meaning being lost.

But I’m not following what you’re saying about “ye” and “you” here. Isn’t “ye” the nominative, and “you” the objective? Like “I” and “me”, “we” and “us”, “thou” and “thee”, etc?

Nominative: “Drink ye all of it”, “as oft as ye drink it”

Objective: “for you”, “with you”

I have always been curious whether “drink ye all of it” means “ye all drink of it” or “ye drink all of it”. I suppose it’s the first one. Or maybe both, since it’s ambiguous, although I’m not sure that it’s ambiguous in the Greek.

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